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Fido/Collie Sysops' Meeting in Japan in 1986

     From FidoNews, Volume 4, Number 28 (27 Jul 1987)
     FidoNet (r), International BBS Network Newslatter

     Yoshi Mikami, November 26, 1986

                              FidoNet in Japan

     [Editor's note:  Sorry for  the  unusually  long  delay  on  this
     article.  It came to us via a very circuitous route.]


     The  November  Fido/Collie  Sysops'  meeting  was   attended   by
     Tatsuyuki Arai,  Yoshi Mikami,  Maki Ohtoh and Junsei Yamada.  It
     was held on 11/14/86 at 7:00,  at Renoir coffee shop  (phone  03-
     493-1454)  near  the  east exit of Osaki Station in Tokyo.  Arai,
     Jun Moriya, John Takiguchi and Yamada had started this meeting on
     every second Friday of the month  from  last  August  to  discuss
     common FidoNet issues and concerns.  For Mikami and Ohtoh, it was
     the first time to meet these people.

     We  jointly  decided  that we will write to International FidoNet
     Association,  St.  Louis,  Missouri,  to get the  FidoNet  region
     number  for  Japan.  We  do  not  want  a host node under Pacific
     Region  12,  out  of  Honolulu,  Hawaii,  as  other  Asia-Pacific
     countries  such  as  Australia  and  New  Zealand  are operating.
     Mikami will write the letter.

     Arai wants to use the POLL and PICKUP functions on  the  receive-
     only  FIDO  node in Tokyo from his FIDO at home.  Those functions
     do not work properly for him.  Tom Jenning's  8/85  documentation
     that  he  has  does  not  explain in sufficient detail how to use
     these functions.  We will get assistance from Fido  operators  in

     We  know that there is a Usenet gateway,  run by Bob Hartman,  on
     FidoNet 101/101,  according to the 8/86 Fido documentation.  Does
     anyone know how to contact a Usenet node in Japan?

     Before switching to Fido, Arai ran Collie in October to find that
     Collie  handles the Japanese Kanji characters nicely.  (Ohtoh and
     Mikami have some Japanese messages in  their  systems.)  However,
     Collie  has  a minor problem in handling Japanese characters,  in
     the sense  that  some  Japanese  characters  are  interpreted  as
     Collie's  control characters.  We will write to D.  Plunkett when
     Jun Moriya returns from his trip to Australia to get the author's
     help (because he knows the technical details).

     Arai wanted to confirm,  and all the  meeting  attendees  agreed,
     that  FidoNet  in  Japan  will be operated on a non-profit basis,
     without discrimination of any kind.

     The  name  of  FidoNet  Japan  was  authorized  to  be  used   on
     Takiguchi's Fido BBS by Tom Jennings earlier this year, according
     to  Arai.   (The  Newsletter  Editor  doubt  that  this  has  any
     significance,  but it is documented here as this was discussed at
     the meeting.)

     Any  would-be  Fido/Collie  sysops  are  welcome  to  attend this
     monthly meeting.  The next meeting is on December 12, at the same
     time,  at the same place.  If English assistance is needed,  help
     will be provided.


     After some pioneering work in April and May 1986, the Fido/Collie
     activities  picked up in the Kansai area recently.  Geki Hagiwara
     provided the following experience report:

         *         *         *         *         *         *         *

         A BBS network FidoNet was formed and tested in Kansai area in
         Sep/Oct 1986.  Actually the software  was  Collie  (Colossus)
         which simulates FidoNet packet transfer protocol.  One of the
         reasons we chose Collie, not Fido, was that Collie resets the
         modem  every  time  the session is over.  It is believed that
         some  modems  cannot  detect  1200/300  and   CCITT/BELL   in
         particular  sequences.  In  such case resetting the modem may
         be effective.  Through our experience Hi-Modem  1200C  looked
         working satisfactorily.

         The members of TMCNET and their equipments are:

         NET NODE  Name          Area  Phone         H/W
         --- ----  ------------- ----- ------------  --------
         001  001  Joe Takemura  Osaka 06-674-1933   JX-5+HDD
              002  K.  Sawaguchi Osaka 06-XXX-XXXX   JX-4
         002  001  Geki Hagiwara Yasu  0775-86-0919  JX-4+HDD
              002  Ken Iwamoto   Kyoto 075-XXX-XXXX  JX-5
              003  Junji Tanaka  Shiga 0778-XX-XXXX  JX-5

         First, each node operator entered messages to several members
         and  the other sysops;  then we set Net mail time and watched
         how Collie sends and receives packets.  We had a hard time to
         find the best combination of  modem  initialization  commands
         and DIP switch setting. (We were helped by Maki Ohtoh.)

         We used the following MODMINIT.BBS file:

                 (one blank line - wait 2 seconds)

         The Collie startup command was:

                 A>COLLIE /2 /M2 /I1200 /C32
                          |   |   |      |____ Carrier mask bit
                          |   |   |____ Modem init. baud rate
                          |   |____ Modem type
                          |____ COM2 port

         The modem DIP switch setting was:

                 SW1 DTR          OFF
                 SW2 Result       no effective
                 SW3 Return       ON (should have no effect)
                 SW4 Echo         no effective
                 SW5 Answer       no effective
                 SW6 CD           OFF
                 SW7 Tel.line     OFF (depends on phone line)
                 SW8 Command      ON

         Although the modem operation was unstable like trying to call
         while  the  modem  is off hook,  the test resulted in a great
         success.  We just tested the network formed  by  JX  systems,
         but  this  network would not be open to public until the mail
         charge system is established.

         *         *         *         *         *         *         *

     For other details,  contact Hagiwara or Joe Takemura at  the  BBS
     sytem number (at night only) listed above.


     To our knowledge,  the following five Fido/Collie BBS systems are
     currently operating on regular basis:

         017-653-5181 ext. 226-7408, Loki BBS (Fido), by Jon
            Spelbring, 24 hours, 1200/300 (CCITT & Bell)
         045-761-9406, SurfSide Net (Fido), by Tatsuyuki Arai,
            24 hours, 2400/1200/300 bps (CCITT & Bell)
         045-894-7656, Collie Yokohama, by Maki Ohtoh,
            24 hours, 1200/300 bps (CCITT & Bell)
         0466-27-2077, Big Blue BBS (Collie), by Yoshi Mikami,
            10:00-11:30 PM Japan Std Time, 1200/300 (C&B)
         082-842-6401, Strawberry Doughnut Net (Collie), by
            Hitoshi Sugimoto, 10:30-11:55 PM JST, 200/300 (C&B)

     Fido Japan 03-432-0185 by John Takiguchi is temporarily closed.

     Mikami, Ohtoh and Sugimoto have been exchanging net messages very
     successfully at 10:45-11:00 PM time slot,  since  early  October,
     between Fujisawa/Yokohama and Hiroshima, a distance of 500 miles.
     After  much  experiment,  Infotech's  Hi-Modem  1200C  among  the
     several JATE-approved  Hayes-compatible  (AT-command  compatible)
     modems   was   found   to  handle  the  Fido/Collie  net  message
     transmission.  They would like to hear other people's experiences
     on other modems, because there definitely is a need here for good
     modem competition.

     Ken Sugimoto has translated most of the Collie  .MNU  files  into
     Japanese for easier operator interface,  and has been operating a
     Collie node since October,  somewhere near  the  Fish  Market  in
     Tsukiji, Tokyo.  We'll get his phone number shortly.

     We  do  not claim to know everything happening in Japan regarding
     Fido or Collie.  Please contact anyone of us to let  others  know
     what's going on.


     A  letter  was  sent  11/16/86 by Mikami to International FidoNet
     Association requesting a region number for Japan,  with copies to
     Tom  Jennings  (author  of  Fido  BBS  software) and Dan Plunkett
     (author of Colossus  BBS  sofware).  A  fifty  dollar  check  was
     enclosed  as  our  donation.  Copies  were  also  sent  to people
     mentioned in Item 1.a. above.

                         *** INTERNATIONAL NEWS ***


     Katsu Shintani called FIDO BBS in Hong Kong  00852-5-893-7856  in
     October.  This  is  the  nearest Fido/Collie BBS overseas that we
     know of.  In return,  Fido Japan and Collie Yokohama  received  a
     few messages from Hong Kong.


     There  are  several  FidoNet  systems  running  in  Australia and
     Indonesia according to  the  3/86  nodelist.  We  would  like  to
     identify  other Fido systems that may be operating in this region
     of the world.  We also offer assistance if help is needed to  set
     up Fido or Collie BBS in the Asia-Pacific countries.

     For  those  who  may  not  know,  Colossus  ("Collie")  is  Fido-
     compatible software that is beginning to be used this year.
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The First Asian BBS Sysops' Conference

     From FidoNews, Volume 7, Number 26 (25 June 1990)
     FidoNet (r), International BBS Network Newslatter

     Yoshi Mikami
     Fido 3:720/13.12

        - JUNE 9, 1990
        Note: The non-English special characters that you may see
              below in this memo are Japanese characters in the
              original text.

     Date: June 16, 1990
     To:   Kyoo-myun Hahn, Honlin Lue, Toshiyuki Omi, and Other BBS
           Sysops in Asia
     From: Yoshi Mikami, now in Taipei, Taiwan

     Subject: The Results of the First Asian BBS Sysops' Conference in
              Taipei - June 9, 1990 (First Draft Report)

     Dear Friends,

     Six people from Japan (including one who lives in Keelung,
     Taiwan), two from Korea and 45 from ROC/Taiwan attended the First
     Asian BBS Sysops' Conference that was held at Taiwan University
     Alumni Association Bldg.  in Taipei on June 9, 1990.  On the
     agenda were:

       1. Welcome & Intro    H. Lue        ˜C’Β‘“—Ρ              20
       2. BBS in Asia
           Japan             T. Omi        ‘ε”όrK              20
           Korea             K.M. Hahn     ŠΨŒ\™j                20
           Taiwan            B.L. Lin      —Ρ”Œ—΄                20
       - - - - - Intermission - - - - - - - - - - - -            15
       3. Multi-Byte Presentations of Asian Languages@
           Taiwan            C.C. Lee      —›Žu¬                20
           Korea             K.M. Hahn     ŠΨŒ\™j                20
           Japan             Y. Mikami     ŽOγ‹g•F              20
       4. Special Topics: Relationship with Commercial Networks
           TTN-Serve         A. Liu        —«θΙ’ΰ                20
       5. Conclusion         B.L. Lin      —Ρ”Œ—΄                 5

     We had good time, superb discussions that continued all through
     the dinner time from 7:00pm till 9:00pm, and excellent experience
     to share information on what we do in the three Asian countries
     from which the attendees came from.

     Honlin Lue and Jimmy Tsai presided over the conference.  Honlin
     kicked off the meeting at 3:30pm (it was a partially rainy day
     towards the end of the late April-early June rainy season and
     Taipei's taxicabs all disappeared), welcoming everybody and
     introducing the participants from overseas and then from Taiwan.
     We had about seven female participants.  Among the participants
     were a computer magazine journalist from Korea and a few
     journalists from Taiwan.  (Toshiyuki Omi was asked by the
     Japanese computer magazines to write about this conference.) Tad
     Sekineh, who lives in Keelung, Taiwan, provided simultaneous
     translation over the mini-FM transmitter (that Yoshi Mikami had
     brought from Japan), to which everybody listened with portable FM

     Honlin had prepared a big signboad in the conference room and, to
     everybody, a copy of the abstracts of the speakers.  He had also
     prepared for the foreign guests nice banners of his own design,
     which showed Taipei's very artistic West Gate (Ό–ε) that was
     destroyed during Japan's occupation of Taiwan.  If this kind of
     brutality over the human culture ever happened at our time, we
     would stop it in a swift island-wide protest against such a
     stupidity, whether the government of that time felt the gate was
     hazardous to traffic or not, using our telecommunications

     Toshiyuki Omi, Sysop of Foreign PC User Club (FPUC) BBS, in
     Nagoya, spoke on the general BBS scene in Japan, which he
     summarized in two words:  competition and cooperation.  He feels
     that the Japanese telecommunications users, inspite of the recent
     competition in domestic and international telecommunication
     systems, cannot enjoy low cost telecommunications which the U.S.
     users are used to.  Toshiyuki mentioned that there is a great
     deal of competition and cooperation among the 1,000 or so private
     BBSes, the many non-profit regional systems and a douzen or so
     big commercial networks, such as NIFTY-Serve, the Japanese
     version of CompuServe.  He brought with him a BBS Telephone
     Directly (‚a‚a‚r“d˜b’ ), a quarterly publication of all known
     private/public/commercial BBSes in Japan.  His BBS is networked
     with unique 8-bit NetMail to about 10 other BBSes in Japan, one
     of which can be dialed up through a digital packet network
     (TYMPAS), domestically and internationally.

     Toshiyuki was unique in his own way, not using the NEC computer
     (which is the personal computer that most Japanese users have for
     their home use) so much and rather liking to use foreign-made PCs
     (such as IBM, Mac and Amiga) for their better user interface.  A
     question was asked which BBS host programs are typically used on
     the NEC; his answer was many, not any one or two particularly

     Kyoo-myun Hahn (he always wrote his name as Hahn Kyoo-myun) of
     Seoul, Korea, next discussed (in English) his EMPAL ("electronic
     mail pal=friend") BBS which runs under Xenix, a UNIX vaiant.  He
     talked about how data communications over dial-up telephone and
     modem (very expensive only a few years ago) had started in Korea.
     Since he was so busy just before the conference, he was the only
     one who had not submit the abstract of his intended speech.
     However, his presentation was very clear and understandable.

     As a third speaker of the BBS Scene in Asia, Bor-lon Lin near
     Taichung, Taiwan, had prepared a lengthy paper on the Taiwan BBS
     scene, mainly taked about the FidoNet of which Honlin and he play
     key roles, calling overseas and coordinating the 75 or so FidoNet
     BBSes in Taiwan.  The FidoNet sysops in Taiwan had made
     modifications to QuickBBS and other U.S.-made BBS host programs,
     and FrontDoor and other mailer programs, so that the 8-bit
     Chinese language (Big-5 Code) can be used in the message areas
     and the mailer.

     In the Q&A session, Bor-lon himself asked if he has to send a
     large amount of data for the 8 or so small number of FidoNet
     systems in Japan.  (The FidoNet systems in Japan are under the
     Taiwan-Korea-Japan area with Taipei as the area hub, which is
     under the Australia-Far East Region with its regional hub in
     Sydney.) I answered that Japan FidoNet's international connection
     just started in January, 1990, and that some more patience is
     required to see an increase in the number of systems.  I pointed
     out that his talk was rather biased to the FidoNet in Taiwan, as
     if no non-FidoNet BBS existed in Taiwan and that his presentation
     was better understood only in a FidoNet conference.  (See *Note
     below.) There was an abstract of Taiwan's BBS history written by
     Honlin in Chinese, which I found was very instructive---I hope
     someone will translate it into English soon.

     We then proceeded to discuss the technical gutts of the BBSing in
     Asia:  the Multi-Byte Presentations of the Asian languages.  As
     we know well, the Chinese, Japanese and Korean languages use the
     "Han" characters ("Chinese characters" if you like), which are
     presented in a sequence of two or three bytes, in MS-DOS and UNIX
     (AIX if you like).  First, C.C.  Lee made a well prepared
     presentation of his view of the mult-byte presentation of Chinese
     language, highlighting several key points.  C.C.  spoke in
     Chinese and his abstract was written in Chinese---I wish his
     abstract was translated into English soon.

     C.C.  spoke of a program written recently by Deng Lin, a 16-year
     old high school student, which adds the "Eten" Chinese graphic
     characters to the original Chinese character codes, that the
     receiver can display the sender's original Chinese message in any
     EGA-equipped IBMPC compatible (without any special "Chinese
     character card.") I talked to Deng, the youngest BBS sysop,
     during the dinner time.  This kind of approach can be
     experimented in the Japanese and Korean personal computers.  The
     source code is included in his package.

     The second speaker of the Multi-Byte presentation was K.M. Hahn.
     He talked about the two Korean character set standards and the
     fact that his BBS supports both.  K.M.  also discussed the
     somewhat emotional debate of whether the number of the
     Korea-unique characters (Hangeul) should be increased from the
     current 2,000, at the sacrifice of the Han characters.

     Yoshi Mikami, then, spoke about how this Asian BBS Sysops'
     Conference was organized (remembering his experience in the
     oracle bones room at the National Palace Museum in Taipei two
     years ago) and the Japanese view of the multi-byte presentation
     of the Han characters.  Although Japan uses one 7,500 JISCII
     character set standard (sometimes called "Shift-JIS")
     universally, it has its own unique problems such as the new,
     additional 6,000 characters being defined in 1990.  A set of 5
     specific proposals, such as making one or two key BBSes in Taipei
     bilingual, and defining the Chinese common names (such as Hau) in
     the Japanese and Korean character sets, were made.  Let's make
     Honlin's Modem Way BBS 02-322-5113 and C.C.'s and Jimmy's BBSes
     truly bilingual, Chinese and Englsh, so that the international
     travellers in Taipei can talk to the Chinese people here!

     Each speaker well exceeded the given time, eagar to communicate
     what they want to say.  The unique nature of the multi-byte
     situation in each country seemed somewhat boring to some
     participants.  Next on the agenda was our relationshi with the
     commercial networks.  Taiwan Telecommunications Network (TTN)
     sent five representatives, but three of them had left because it
     was close to 6:30pm when Adam Liu started a well prepared
     presentation of TTN's TTN-Serve, the Chinese language version of
     CompuServe, using transparencies.  He described where the
     gateways are located in Taiwan, what PC character codes (Big-5,
     TCA, etc.) can be used, which modem speeds (1200/2400 bps) and
     file transfer methods (XModem and CompuServe B) are supported,
     etc..  TTN-Serve's features, compared to the private BBSes, are
     reliability and availability, and connectivity to CompuServe and
     Japan's NIFTY-Serve, as I understood.  To me, it was worthwhile
     to discuss this first commercial network in this area, which will
     start its service in July, 1990.  I wish them a lot of success!

     At 6:30pm, Bor-lon Lin concluded the conference, thanking
     everybody for participation.  (Or at least I guess that's what he
     said, because Tad had to leave for Keelung a little before
     5:00pm, and Adam who picked up the simultaneous translation made
     his presentation in Chinese---I encouraged him to do so because
     the majority of the audience was from Taiwan---and nobody
     volunteered translation.) We proceeded immediately to the
     buffet-style dinner in the same room, for NT$350.00.  I would
     like to thank Honlin, Jimmy and CC to prepare everything on the
     Taipei side.  I hope you understand by now that my pushing you to
     get the abstract done, the attendees list propared, etc., etc.
     from Japan was after all needed, in this kind of international

     As follow-up, I will be getting from K.M.  Hahn the
     English-language summaries of the Korean BBS Scene and Multi-Byte
     Presentations, and the Korean Telecommunications Environment,
     which he said he would be sending to me.  I would also would like
     to collect copies of the articles of this BBS Sysops' conference
     when they appear in the computer/telecommunication magazines in
     each country.

     I spent this Saturday morning at the hotel to summarize the
     meeting results, as above, but if you feel that I am somewhat
     biased, please feel free to contact me through Honlin's Modem Way
     BBS, 02-2-322-5113, or James' INTERNET BBS 02-931-3045.  I hope
     to get your reactions by June 20, because I plan to make my trip
     to Japan June 24-30 and to report the meeting results to my BBS
     Sysop friends in Japan.  I believe that Toshiyuki's article in
     the quarterly NETWORKER magazine will appear in the September 18
     issue---I may have to help him on that.
     I will see you again in a similar meeting in Japan, Korea or
     Taiwan (maybe, at the same time of the year and at the same
     place?)!  Happy BBSing!

                                     Yoshi Mikami
                                     Taipei, Taiwan

     (*Note) In the following week, on June 14, I attended the June
     monthly meeting of Taiwan Users' Group (TUG) that was held at
     American Legion Bldg.  in Hshilin 7:30-9:00pm, and reported the
     results of this Asian BBS Sysops' Conference.  TUG is a group of
     people who share information in English about the members' useof
     mainly IBMPC compatibles.  It was an Amiga night, by the way,
     that night.  I met there with James Thomas who told me about his
     GT-NET network in Taiwan, with about 25 or so BBSes, such as
     INTERNET BBS 02-931-3045 (English only; TUG uses it as a club
     BBS) and NIGHT CATS BBS 02-821-9910 (bilingual Chinese/ English).
     Two of the GT-NET BBSes have gateway connection to FidoNet.
     James takes care of calling the GT-Power network hub in
     Washington, D.C., regularly, and distributes NetMail and EchoMail
     to other GT-NET BBSes, now mostly in Taipei.  So, I know now that
     Taiwan's BBS scene is not synonymous with FidoNet.

     We need eveybody's participation in what we do and therefore
     value even a tiny, independent BBS.  We live in a free world,
     so multiplicity should be our mode of BBSing mentality.

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